Comments on: Two Wheeled Vehicles and Firearms

By: DirtCrashr

DirtCrashr — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 17:28:01 +0000

That’s not bad – I just wish they had kept the KLX since it had so much better stuff, upsidown forks, perimeter frame – Ty Davis used to race one before he switched to Yamaha…

By: Flash Gordon

Flash Gordon — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 03:22:20 +0000

Check out item number 120267517159 at eBay Motors.

By: Ride Fast

Ride Fast — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 19:34:44 +0000

[...] Packing on a scoot [...]

By: DirtCrashr

DirtCrashr — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:07:08 +0000

Personally I would get a(nother) “Dual-Sport” motorcycle, so that if the/a shooting range was up a dirt road or out in the sticks I could easily get there. I’d mount an ATV-type hard-scabbard to one of the rear side-panels and zip-tie the lower end to a support bracket. Maybe buy a spare one just for that purpose and swap back and forth. Dirtbike side panels are a fraction of the cost of a streetbike’s.
Personal size and fit is a bit more important on a dualsport bike like that, but plastic is cheaper when you drop it and more flexible – it doesn’t crack and shatter all over – and when you stand up on the pegs (an actual/proper dirtbike technique) you can see over traffic better and you can avoid obstacles more easily with the much greater fork and shock travel that a DP bike offers.
In case of *traffic difficulties* you can easily go right up over curbs and medians, down ditches and through gravel and create an alternate escape/safety-route – places that cars and many narrowly-focused bikes without knobby tires can’t go.
The Army uses KLR’s but I would get another Honda XR650L (with electric start) for my “earthquake” bike – it’s taller and lighter and has better off-road suspension components – and go back and ride-up some of those stair-case sidewalks in San Francisco, just to be a hooligan and piss off the hippies and yuppies.

By: Scott

Scott — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:22:13 +0000

The following link is for motorcycle training:
http://nm.msf-usa.org/msf/ridercourses.aspx?state=AZ

Personally, motorcycles are too dangerous for me; however, I have a number of friends who ride. Most of the serious ones, those who have been riding for 5+ years, recommend the intro course at a minimum before buying.

Taking the course will get you familiar enough with riding to make an educated purchase decision. Questions about how to purchase used can likely be answered by the instructors.

By: Arizona Rifleman

Arizona Rifleman — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 07:16:22 +0000

Thanks everyone! That’s a bunch of useful information.

Now, I just need to get the money for some sort of two-wheeled transport. With my trip to Europe starting on Sunday, money’s going to be a bit tight for about a month or so. I have a thing about paying interest on purchases, so I’m probably going to save up for the scooter or cycle and just pay for it in cash.

I saw some fantastic looking motorcycles at the Honda shop today, but they’re a bit out of my budget (about $6000-$9000 for the reasonably priced ones, and $14000+ for really high-end ones). If I buy used, is there anything in particular I should be aware of and can easily test or check on the spot without needing a mechanic? I’ve bought used and new cars before, but don’t really know what to look for in a cycle.

By: Roberta X

Roberta X — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 11:54:26 +0000

I’d be leery of the smaller scooters in city traffic. I ride a Vespa-type (= middlin’ heavy, about 260#) 150cc in town and it’s unsuited for highway traffic, tops out around 50 mph. The small wheels do make them handle differently to a motorcycle — I find mine a bit more nimble but less forgiving of potholes.

Carrying longer objects of any sort on a scooter or motorcycle is tricky. I can’t add to what’s already been suggested.

If you have not ridden before, get training. It is well worth it, especially if you’ll be carrying valuable firearms.

By: Ride Fast

Ride Fast — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 21:48:19 +0000

I’m looking for a hard side scabbard (like for an ATV) for my long guns on a bike. It will require some mods to make it work, but you get a secure carrier, protection from the elements, security (you can padlock them) plus complete concealment.

By: Flash Gordon

Flash Gordon — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 16:19:52 +0000

You could also get a motorcycle scabbard like the ones the Army used on their Harleys in WW II. Perfectly legal in Arizona, I think.

By: Flash Gordon

Flash Gordon — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 16:11:48 +0000

I’m 63 and have continuously owned (or ridden) motorcycles since I was 15 (counting my older brother’s Harley knuckle head). I did have a Vespa once which was great fun because it was so fast, or seemed so.

I’ve shied away from scooters because they handle differently than a motorcycle and seem (to me at least) to be less stable in tight maneuvers. In city and highway traffic it is not unusual to need to change lanes to avoid some goof in a car or to swerve around some obstacle in the road (a dead dog, a brick, a step ladder, a spare truck tire) that you didn’t see until the last second because the four-wheeler in front of you straddled it.

If you don’t have time to swerve a motorcycle will take the hit better than a scooter every time. Big wheels handle problems better than small wheels.

By the way, avoiding an obstacle is similar to shooting trap and skeet. If you look at it you’ll hit it, not looking at it will help you miss it

To carry a long gun on a motorcycle I’d put it in a soft case and anchor the butt into the bottom of a saddle bag, mount a small duffle over the rear fender and strap the fore end to the side of it. If you don’t want it to look like a gun get some cloth gift wrapping to put around the whole package so people will think you’re taking flowers to your sweetie.