Comments on: Which machine gun? http://www.arizonarifleman.com/2008/05/13/which-machine-gun/ Shooter, Scientist Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:59:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Arizona Rifleman http://www.arizonarifleman.com/2008/05/13/which-machine-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-222 Arizona Rifleman Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:32:44 +0000 http://azrifleman.heypete.com/?p=65#comment-222 Mike, Yeah, you and your lack of taxes! *shakes fist at your SOT* Let me know when you'll be back in town. It'd be great to go to the range again. Mike,

Yeah, you and your lack of taxes! *shakes fist at your SOT*

Let me know when you’ll be back in town. It’d be great to go to the range again.

]]> By: Mike http://www.arizonarifleman.com/2008/05/13/which-machine-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-216 Mike Sun, 17 Aug 2008 05:16:58 +0000 http://azrifleman.heypete.com/?p=65#comment-216 Here's the dirty dozen thoughts. 1. Grease Gun: More expensive than a Thompson today. Parts kits getting expensive but mags are a mere $5 or so each. 2. Uzi: Not lefty friendly, but cheap parts and mags. Easy to work on when (oh so rarely) something goes down. There's a reason my pre-sample was my first gun and why I still have it. Mags $15 each. 3. M16 RR: It bores me, so I sold it. However, it will work with nearly any upper out there and parts/mags common. Be advised that pistol caliber conversions can oval out the pin holes. Fixing this is annoying. Mags $10-$15 each. 4. M16 DIAS: No receiver to worry over, but simply swapping this between receivers is problematic. It needs to be timed for each individual setup. 5. M16 LL: Unless you get it cheap, don't bother. 6. AC-556: Generally stuck as it is, but it's an inexpensive rifle caliber MG with factory service. Put on a regular wood stock and it's a stealth MG. Quality mags $30-$75 each. 7. MP-5 RR: Stuck as it is, but they are a decent subgun. Parts, mags, and repairs are expensive. Mags $30-$75 each. 8. MP-5 sear/registered pack: Allows you to have a MP-5, MP-5SD, G3 (.308), HK-53 (.223), beltfeds, etc. Mags depend upon caliber with .308 being cheapest around $5 each and .223 being most expensive around $65 each. 9. Sterling SMG or a Stenling (Sten coverted into a Sterling): Quality piece, smooth shooting, parts kits can be found and mags around $35 each. 10. AUG: My vote. They're just sexy! Parts will get more common and will fall in price with these new US-made clones coming out. Mags around $40 and falling. 11. FNC: $7,500 or so. Parts can be rough to find, though. Uses M16 mags. 12. STG: Stemple takedown gun. BRP Guns got hold of a mess of registered Stemple tubes (meh) and made them into some pretty cool stuff. Check out http://brpguns.com/ Oh, if you do a M16, get their MG34 8mm M16 beltfed upper. Mags depend on type of setup used (IIRC). Here’s the dirty dozen thoughts.

1. Grease Gun: More expensive than a Thompson today. Parts kits getting expensive but mags are a mere $5 or so each.

2. Uzi: Not lefty friendly, but cheap parts and mags. Easy to work on when (oh so rarely) something goes down. There’s a reason my pre-sample was my first gun and why I still have it. Mags $15 each.

3. M16 RR: It bores me, so I sold it. However, it will work with nearly any upper out there and parts/mags common. Be advised that pistol caliber conversions can oval out the pin holes. Fixing this is annoying. Mags $10-$15 each.

4. M16 DIAS: No receiver to worry over, but simply swapping this between receivers is problematic. It needs to be timed for each individual setup.

5. M16 LL: Unless you get it cheap, don’t bother.

6. AC-556: Generally stuck as it is, but it’s an inexpensive rifle caliber MG with factory service. Put on a regular wood stock and it’s a stealth MG. Quality mags $30-$75 each.

7. MP-5 RR: Stuck as it is, but they are a decent subgun. Parts, mags, and repairs are expensive. Mags $30-$75 each.

8. MP-5 sear/registered pack: Allows you to have a MP-5, MP-5SD, G3 (.308), HK-53 (.223), beltfeds, etc. Mags depend upon caliber with .308 being cheapest around $5 each and .223 being most expensive around $65 each.

9. Sterling SMG or a Stenling (Sten coverted into a Sterling): Quality piece, smooth shooting, parts kits can be found and mags around $35 each.

10. AUG: My vote. They’re just sexy! Parts will get more common and will fall in price with these new US-made clones coming out. Mags around $40 and falling.

11. FNC: $7,500 or so. Parts can be rough to find, though. Uses M16 mags.

12. STG: Stemple takedown gun. BRP Guns got hold of a mess of registered Stemple tubes (meh) and made them into some pretty cool stuff. Check out http://brpguns.com/ Oh, if you do a M16, get their MG34 8mm M16 beltfed upper. Mags depend on type of setup used (IIRC).

]]> By: Arizona Rifleman http://www.arizonarifleman.com/2008/05/13/which-machine-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-83 Arizona Rifleman Fri, 16 May 2008 02:58:34 +0000 http://azrifleman.heypete.com/?p=65#comment-83 Flash: You're right. The only restricted part is the lower receiver (or whatever the registered part is, such as a DIAS or Lightning Link) -- everything else can be changed out at will. The nice thing about a DIAS or LL is that you can transfer them between "carrier" guns -- if your DIAS/LL-equipped gun gets run over by a truck and the registered part survives, you can simply get a new AR and put the DIAS/LL into it. No problem. ----- George: I was under the impression that Grease Guns were a bit...crude. Also, .45 ACP is way too expensive for my regular pistol ammo, let alone shooting it from a subgun in great amounts. Flash: You’re right. The only restricted part is the lower receiver (or whatever the registered part is, such as a DIAS or Lightning Link) — everything else can be changed out at will.

The nice thing about a DIAS or LL is that you can transfer them between “carrier” guns — if your DIAS/LL-equipped gun gets run over by a truck and the registered part survives, you can simply get a new AR and put the DIAS/LL into it. No problem.

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George: I was under the impression that Grease Guns were a bit…crude. Also, .45 ACP is way too expensive for my regular pistol ammo, let alone shooting it from a subgun in great amounts.

]]> By: Flash Gordon http://www.arizonarifleman.com/2008/05/13/which-machine-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-80 Flash Gordon Thu, 15 May 2008 23:54:09 +0000 http://azrifleman.heypete.com/?p=65#comment-80 I agree with you that a sub gun is for fun, not investment. If the post-1986 ban were lifted I'd gladly settle for a loss in value of a pre-1986 that I had bought. Another thought, once you have a legally-owned pre-1986 M16 I believe you can buy all the parts you want for it except the receiver that is registered. If I'm right about that you can practically build it into a new gun. I agree with you that a sub gun is for fun, not investment. If the post-1986 ban were lifted I’d gladly settle for a loss in value of a pre-1986 that I had bought.

Another thought, once you have a legally-owned pre-1986 M16 I believe you can buy all the parts you want for it except the receiver that is registered. If I’m right about that you can practically build it into a new gun.

]]> By: GeorgeH http://www.arizonarifleman.com/2008/05/13/which-machine-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-79 GeorgeH Thu, 15 May 2008 21:36:24 +0000 http://azrifleman.heypete.com/?p=65#comment-79 As a Class III dealer years ago, I think I've owned everything made through 1975. An M-3 or M3A1 Greasegun is far and away the most fun. Slow cyclic rate and a round big enough to do the job. Dead simple and almost indestructible. Cobble up an interchangeable wood stock. Get a silencer if you can. A silenced M3 makes more noise slamming the bolt on an empty chamber than it does firing. As a Class III dealer years ago, I think I’ve owned everything made through 1975.

An M-3 or M3A1 Greasegun is far and away the most fun. Slow cyclic rate and a round big enough to do the job. Dead simple and almost indestructible.

Cobble up an interchangeable wood stock.
Get a silencer if you can. A silenced M3 makes more noise slamming the bolt on an empty chamber than it does firing.

]]> By: Arizona Rifleman http://www.arizonarifleman.com/2008/05/13/which-machine-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-73 Arizona Rifleman Wed, 14 May 2008 21:02:08 +0000 http://azrifleman.heypete.com/?p=65#comment-73 Cowboy Blob: Hmm. Well, if you ever find yourself wanting to sell the Uzi, let me know. :) *reads profile* Say, you're also in Tucson! Want to go to the range and grab a beer (afterwards, of course) some time? Cowboy Blob: Hmm. Well, if you ever find yourself wanting to sell the Uzi, let me know. :)

*reads profile* Say, you’re also in Tucson! Want to go to the range and grab a beer (afterwards, of course) some time?

]]> By: Arizona Rifleman http://www.arizonarifleman.com/2008/05/13/which-machine-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-72 Arizona Rifleman Wed, 14 May 2008 20:59:51 +0000 http://azrifleman.heypete.com/?p=65#comment-72 Flash: I know the feeling, and those same thoughts have crossed my mind as well. However, I think I differ a bit from most people when it comes to things like homes and machine guns -- I don't regard them as investments (although they may well behave like them most of the time). Instead, I look at a house as a dwelling-place, and a machine gun as something fun to shoot. Nothing more. I don't usually make such big purchases (car, house, etc.) with the intention of selling it in the near future (condo's not included, as they're usually a "starter home")...I bought my car and intend to drive it into the ground, rather than sell it. If the ban were overturned and I lost a bunch of money, I might be a little grouchy at first, but in the end I figure it'd benefit me more than it'd harm me (as I could now buy Shiny! New! Guns!). Flash: I know the feeling, and those same thoughts have crossed my mind as well.

However, I think I differ a bit from most people when it comes to things like homes and machine guns — I don’t regard them as investments (although they may well behave like them most of the time).

Instead, I look at a house as a dwelling-place, and a machine gun as something fun to shoot. Nothing more. I don’t usually make such big purchases (car, house, etc.) with the intention of selling it in the near future (condo’s not included, as they’re usually a “starter home”)…I bought my car and intend to drive it into the ground, rather than sell it.

If the ban were overturned and I lost a bunch of money, I might be a little grouchy at first, but in the end I figure it’d benefit me more than it’d harm me (as I could now buy Shiny! New! Guns!).

]]> By: Flash Gordon http://www.arizonarifleman.com/2008/05/13/which-machine-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-68 Flash Gordon Wed, 14 May 2008 16:34:19 +0000 http://azrifleman.heypete.com/?p=65#comment-68 I've thought of spending the big dough that a full auto costs but am put off by the fact that were it not for the post-1986 ban the things would cost under a grand. It's probably no more than a pipe dream that the ban will ever be lifted but if it were a 12-15 grand investment would vanish in a heartbeat. I’ve thought of spending the big dough that a full auto costs but am put off by the fact that were it not for the post-1986 ban the things would cost under a grand. It’s probably no more than a pipe dream that the ban will ever be lifted but if it were a 12-15 grand investment would vanish in a heartbeat.

]]> By: Cowboy Blob http://www.arizonarifleman.com/2008/05/13/which-machine-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-66 Cowboy Blob Wed, 14 May 2008 11:30:32 +0000 http://azrifleman.heypete.com/?p=65#comment-66 Get the M-16! (That said, I've already got the Uzi and am jones-ing for an M-16 if I'm ever floating in money again). Lego is fun! Get the M-16! (That said, I’ve already got the Uzi and am jones-ing for an M-16 if I’m ever floating in money again).

Lego is fun!

]]> By: Arizona Rifleman http://www.arizonarifleman.com/2008/05/13/which-machine-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-59 Arizona Rifleman Tue, 13 May 2008 19:33:50 +0000 http://azrifleman.heypete.com/?p=65#comment-59 Rustmeister: - Yeah, I've heard about HKs sucky customer service. But still, there's a part of me that says "HK! Shiny!" It's hard ignoring that...well, at least it's hard ignoring it until I see the price tag. Then it becomes easy to ignore. - Well, my thoughts on the Ruger are that it's an "automatic rifle", so putting 100-round Beta mag dumps downrange is probably not what it was designed for. I'd think that it'd be perfectly suitable for most fun full-auto uses, but not for a huge amount of sustained fire. - One of the reasons I was looking at the M16/Ruger is that they can easily shoot .22LR. Cheap ammo is always something to be thinking about when you'll easily blow through a huge amount of ammo at the range. The Uzi does have .22 kits, but I hear they're not nearly as reliable (and you can't really use them if you have a registered bolt, rather than a registered receiver). Decisions, decisions! ..... Sebastian blew my hit counter out of the water today. It's good, but somewhat nerve-wracking to know "hey, some people are actually reading this!". No pressure. :) Anyway, thanks for your kind words and the add, I appreciate it. Rustmeister:
- Yeah, I’ve heard about HKs sucky customer service. But still, there’s a part of me that says “HK! Shiny!” It’s hard ignoring that…well, at least it’s hard ignoring it until I see the price tag. Then it becomes easy to ignore.
- Well, my thoughts on the Ruger are that it’s an “automatic rifle”, so putting 100-round Beta mag dumps downrange is probably not what it was designed for. I’d think that it’d be perfectly suitable for most fun full-auto uses, but not for a huge amount of sustained fire.
- One of the reasons I was looking at the M16/Ruger is that they can easily shoot .22LR. Cheap ammo is always something to be thinking about when you’ll easily blow through a huge amount of ammo at the range. The Uzi does have .22 kits, but I hear they’re not nearly as reliable (and you can’t really use them if you have a registered bolt, rather than a registered receiver).

Decisions, decisions!

…..

Sebastian blew my hit counter out of the water today. It’s good, but somewhat nerve-wracking to know “hey, some people are actually reading this!”. No pressure. :)

Anyway, thanks for your kind words and the add, I appreciate it.

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